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    Thanks!

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    The only concern I have with the amino acids is if it's going to be in a form where the plant can use it if it can't break it down then it's totally worthless.
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    @Runamuk2
    Thats why i have chosen to add it to my super soil. So like all the rest of the amendments, it will have a chance to break down. I am no scientist nor do i have the instruments to detect such things. I figured it would break down over time if its all not available to begin with.

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    I should have been clearer, when I said preventative, I did not mean as a cure to a infestation problem, lol! Especially trying to get rid of thrips with only soil drenches!

    Weirdly, I had thrips this summer after I got back from a vacation. I had a friend look in, and when I got back I had thrips! 2 Spinosad foliars, and I have not seen another since.

    I'm more interested in things that will make plants internally unacceptable to pests or molds, or whatever from the get go.

    I grow inside in coco, so everything is in the daily nutes.

    You are putting your aminos in your organic soil which has chelators like fulvic or humic acids in them, among other things, so I'll bet the plants are getting the aminos they can use. Your plants look pretty good!

    I got PM as a gift with a clone, and have been trying to make the plants immune with AA's and Calcium ala Harley Smith. Tried foliars without much effect, then tried adding it to the daily feeds, and it really knocked it back. So much that some strains didn't get any!

    I wish I could say I got rid if it, but when it got cooler, and so did the grow space, the PM came back. Apparently PM likes cooler, and a bit drier temps

    I've since gotten the temps and humidity up, and have continued the AA & Ca, and it's way down again! I do add fulvic, too.

    Anyway, my long winded, off topic ramble was meant to say why I use AA's, and that I do think AA can be used by plants, and they like it. all part of a balanced diet! I just need to find the right ratios to make this PM stuff die without a host, muwahahahaha!

    greendesert, I made my 1st bubbled tea with fish hydrolysate and EWC. When it started thinking about foaming all over the place, I remembered I'd read a few drops of FH would calm it down, and it did, and right away. Is that what you did? It's worked for me ever since, too!

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    @Frosty Budz
    From an organic stand point Neem Seed Meal can be worked in to the soil for an agent/amendment that works "systemically". Meaning it works from the inside out. That IS NOT on my list. I learned about it this year and i will be updating the list once it is incorporated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patient puffer View Post
    @Frosty Budz
    From an organic stand point Neem Seed Meal can be worked in to the soil for an agent/amendment that works "systemically". Meaning it works from the inside out. That IS NOT on my list. I learned about it this year and i will be updating the list once it is incorporated.
    Good luck with that. I'll be interested to hear your experience.

    I used neem meal in my soiless mix for a while after a simultaneous mite and fungus gnat and infestation. I never was sure if the neem meal helped with that... neem oil did not.

    I beat them both with Azatrol, whose main ingredient is Azadiractin, a neem extract.

    Drenches whacked the gnats, but did zip to the mites.

    I've read they don't bite deeply enough to be effected by anything systemic.

    Took a whole lot of systematic foliars to get them, lol!
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    Hi @Runamuk2 I found this on the web:

    "Plants absorb amino acids through the stomata in the stems and leaves or through the roots hairs at the base of the plant. Introducing amino acids at the root ball of a plant improves the microflora of the soil, facilitating the assimilation of nutrients by your plants. This microbial-floral balance in agricultural soil is a basic factor for good organic matter mineralization as well as providing sound structure and fertility in the root area.
    Foliar feeding your plants with a liquid protein hydrolysate (liquid amino acids sprayed on the stems and leaves of a plant) provides ready-made and available building blocks of amino acids for immediate protein synthesis. Amino acids are the fundamental ingredients in the process of protein synthesis and will directly influence the development of a plant.

    To increase the yield and overall quality of a plant crop, it is essential to have substantial quantities of absorbable amino acids available for the plant to take in. If a plant has a ready source of available amino acids, the plant can save energy on other biosynthetic processes and can then dedicate its energy to better plant development during its critical growth stages.

    TYPES OF AMINO ACIDS

    All amino acids are found as either free form peptides or proteins. Free form peptides are individualized in monomer form and not bound by peptic unions. Due to low molecular weight, plants assimilate this form of amino acids through the stomata and the root hairs very QUICKLY. Their effects on the metabolic processes of the plant are profound. Therefore, free amino acids are of primary importance to plant nutrition.
    When 2 or more amino acids are bound to one another they form a peptide. The greater the length of the peptide chain, the more difficult the direct absorption by the plant. (Polypeptides are many amino acids bound together.)
    The joining of different chains of polypeptides is instrumental in the formation of proteins. Therefore, the structural units of proteins are amino acids joined in a sequence and characteristic order for each type of protein. These are the hardest to assimilate by plants."

    We need to use FREE AMINO ACIDS, but when we aply it to soil or plant surface, I think that some of those will be break down by microorganisms, but other will be used directly by the plant. We need to have a control group for see better efects.

    =)

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    Hi @Patient puffer I found this on the web:

    "Plants absorb amino acids through the stomata in the stems and leaves or through the roots hairs at the base of the plant. Introducing amino acids at the root ball of a plant improves the microflora of the soil, facilitating the assimilation of nutrients by your plants. This microbial-floral balance in agricultural soil is a basic factor for good organic matter mineralization as well as providing sound structure and fertility in the root area.
    Foliar feeding your plants with a liquid protein hydrolysate (liquid amino acids sprayed on the stems and leaves of a plant) provides ready-made and available building blocks of amino acids for immediate protein synthesis. Amino acids are the fundamental ingredients in the process of protein synthesis and will directly influence the development of a plant.

    To increase the yield and overall quality of a plant crop, it is essential to have substantial quantities of absorbable amino acids available for the plant to take in. If a plant has a ready source of available amino acids, the plant can save energy on other biosynthetic processes and can then dedicate its energy to better plant development during its critical growth stages.

    TYPES OF AMINO ACIDS

    All amino acids are found as either free form peptides or proteins. Free form peptides are individualized in monomer form and not bound by peptic unions. Due to low molecular weight, plants assimilate this form of amino acids through the stomata and the root hairs very QUICKLY. Their effects on the metabolic processes of the plant are profound. Therefore, free amino acids are of primary importance to plant nutrition.
    When 2 or more amino acids are bound to one another they form a peptide. The greater the length of the peptide chain, the more difficult the direct absorption by the plant. (Polypeptides are many amino acids bound together.)
    The joining of different chains of polypeptides is instrumental in the formation of proteins. Therefore, the structural units of proteins are amino acids joined in a sequence and characteristic order for each type of protein. These are the hardest to assimilate by plants."

    We need to use FREE AMINO ACIDS, but when we aply it to soil or plant surface, I think that some of those will be break down by microorganisms, but other will be used directly by the plant. We need to have a control group for see better efects.

    =)

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    @Frosty Budz
    I used a doses of Fish hydrolisate in my teas too. I think I put a lot of Brewers yeast (BY) that first time, then I low the doses. But I think that if we use the AA in the tea, the microorganisms will break down the Free AA and maybe only a few will remain in that form for the plant. So I added the BY at the moment of tea application in the soil and in the liquid for foliage. I need to do this more acurate and with a control group for see the effects, I hope next cycle!

    On the other hand, maybe something is wrong in your plants diet, pests only harm weak plants, soil makes a more robust environment for nutrient cycling and root-bacteria-fungi interactions making more strong plants! This a matter of practice and practice until you build a right balanced soil. Foliar applications only work like a pain relief patch when you have nutrient def but you need to correct the problem at root level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patient puffer View Post
    @Frosty Budz
    From an organic stand point Neem Seed Meal can be worked in to the soil for an agent/amendment that works "systemically". Meaning it works from the inside out. That IS NOT on my list. I learned about it this year and i will be updating the list once it is incorporated.
    @Patient puffer
    Neem cake or neem meal also regulates nitrification in soil, watch this note:

    Natural nitrification inhibitors for higher nitrogen use efficiency, crop yield, and
    for curtailing global warming

    =)

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