Register

Welcome to the Marijuana Growing forum

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed.

User Tag List

Results 1 to 3 of 3
  1. #1
    Marijuana Growing Newbie
    Join Date
    Nov 2017
    Posts
    1
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 0
    Given: 0
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Sulfur & Chemicals


    0 Not allowed!
    Hello all,
    Ok, I know you might not know this or think so - but growing African Violets is very, very similar to growing marijuana!
    So, my question actually pertains to African violets, but will expect information from your answers as pertaining to your crops.

    Well, I have been battling mites for some time... they were either broad mites or cyclamen. I have HORRIBLE eyesight, made as good as possible with eyeglasses, and even with a 40x magnifyer I cannot tell the difference bewteen the two. I don't know that it matters that much? I don't want to have either one
    I treated all my old stock plants with a quite warm water wash down to bare roots, a dip in Murphy's oil soapy water, then swished in Forbid, several days with roots resting in little water - then the next weekend swished in Avid and repotted with Bonide granules in their soil mix. Then I was bottom watering all of these plants with Azamax treated water for several weeks.

    I had also made a few online orders. Several plants came to me from big name greenhouses with pests. One had brownish red spider mites. One had thrips. One had another broad or cyclamen mite. Instead of using the Murphy's oil soap and Azamax, I treated this new batch in a different manner. Warm water wash in bare root, Forbid, then I think I did a sulfur swish. roots in water. One more sulfur swish the next week.
    **I really think that taking these plants down to the bare roots, and swishing every bit of it through the chemicals or sulfur etc did a WAY better job of treating than a spray could ever do. It would have eliminated almost any air bubbles, and got every surface of each plant and root possible, nothing hiding in soil, etc. While I was sulfur treating I also used a whisk to emulsify the wettable sulfur into the water between every swish, due to settling.

    Now, maybe only to Violets or Gesneriads in general, but any oils after or before sulfur is a huge no-no. It's phyto-toxic to the plant. SO that is why I didn't Murphy's the separate batch. Murphy's is a GREAT insecticidal soap but not if you're going to use sulfur in the next 3-4 weeks.
    NOW what I'm worried about is the possibility of using Azamax water on these sulfur treated ones.
    I did not.
    It's been several weeks since I Azamaxed any of the first batch, but I know they have systemic protection going on from that.

    I have been diligently checking my plants with the 40x lighted loupe. They are all on the same stand, but not intermingled. separated by shelves. I have seen no movement for weeks on anything.
    Two nights ago, on one of the old stock (non-sulfur) plants, I saw 2 of the tiniest, tiniest mites. They are definitely broad or cyclamen, but even smaller than the original ones. I would assume from the effects of Azamax. They were sitting on particles of the soil and moving VERY VERY slowly. I almost thought they were just particles of perlite. But the more I looked, I thought I could make out an antennae, so I watched and watched and saw very slow movement.
    These bastards!!!
    I have seen NO further sign of the spider mites on the one plant who showed those.

    This is like the worst fight, most discouraging pain in my ass. HOW.
    HOW can these assholes live through Murphy's, Forbid, Avid, Azamax, and/or sulfur.
    I have bleached the floor, the walls, the containers, repotted with freshly made mix, bought a new stand...

    My question is this.
    Can I use Azamax water on the sulfur treated plants? They were treated weeks ago but the sulfur powder was still on some. I tried to give them a washing the other day but I still see some powder here and there. So now is it as if they were freshly reactivated again and the Azamax (while not actually an OIL per se but being neem derived, somewhat an oil?) will that have negative effects?

    Should I maybe crown treat & drench with like Ortho Home Defense for all, and also Azamax water the old stock group... waiting a few weeks to do to new stock group because of sulfur?
    I know I'm being irritating with all this extra information. I apologize!
    TIA for any info you can give or advice you may help with!
    jennifer

  2. #2
    Marijuana Growing Member
    Join Date
    May 2016
    Posts
    1,609
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1,426
    Given: 529
    Mentioned
    144 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    0 Not allowed!
    Some plants just have tight cracks bugs can be in but liquids and such have hard times getting into. Clothes including shoes can bring the bugs into rooms. Figures winter has anything near a house migrating into a warmer area. Getting rid of the sulfur I'd figure soapy water preferably an organic insecticidal soap mix might work for getting the leaves flushed off and soap going through the soil should kill a good amount of bugs. I only use insecticidal soap and neem oil. Azamax can't be imported to here.

    I'd figure filling a spray bottle with insecticidal soap and tilting leaves up to blast and rub spots clear of and sulfur and bugs or eggs should work. Once the leaves are finished being washed down doing a coating of the soil then a little wait. Then try flushing the soil slow at first so the soap is still concentrated drifting deeper into the soil. Then after satisfied try flushing the soil out. With small plants even having a tub of soapy water can help making drenching the plants thoroughly easy.

    There is an insecticidal soap made by a brand called Safer that includes sulfur and fats mixes. I guess the oil is for keeping a coating on after drying.

    Good luck with your genocide with the bugs. Happens to the best of them
    You stick a bunch of females together and don't want any problems? Good luck. They are going to mess you up.

  3. #3
    Marijuana Growing Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Location
    NorCal
    Posts
    374
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 459
    Given: 381
    Mentioned
    51 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    0 Not allowed!
    Quote Originally Posted by Tropical View Post
    Some plants just have tight cracks bugs can be in but liquids and such have hard times getting into. Clothes including shoes can bring the bugs into rooms. Figures winter has anything near a house migrating into a warmer area. Getting rid of the sulfur I'd figure soapy water preferably an organic insecticidal soap mix might work for getting the leaves flushed off and soap going through the soil should kill a good amount of bugs. I only use insecticidal soap and neem oil. Azamax can't be imported to here.

    I'd figure filling a spray bottle with insecticidal soap and tilting leaves up to blast and rub spots clear of and sulfur and bugs or eggs should work. Once the leaves are finished being washed down doing a coating of the soil then a little wait. Then try flushing the soil slow at first so the soap is still concentrated drifting deeper into the soil. Then after satisfied try flushing the soil out. With small plants even having a tub of soapy water can help making drenching the plants thoroughly easy.

    There is an insecticidal soap made by a brand called Safer that includes sulfur and fats mixes. I guess the oil is for keeping a coating on after drying.

    Good luck with your genocide with the bugs. Happens to the best of them
    I also only use soap and neem. Spider mites, if that's what you have , wouldn't be found on the soil very likely. I'm not saying you'll never find them there but that's now where they live. They will be on the underside of the leaves. I also use safer soap as my insecticidal spray. It kills the adults on contact, but does not kill the eggs. If you mix neem with safer soap, you will get both adult killer and it leaves behind a little bit. It also seems to nuke the eggs.

    I don't believe in eradication. There is no such thing, there will always be another egg, or you will bring in new friends on your shoes, clothes, hair. Just spray once a week with the soap, inspect in a few days, if the mites are still there add neem , then be ready to spray again the next week. For spider mites there is no reason to treat the roots, they do not live in the root zone or the soil. I do give the topsoil a spray each time just in case something fell down there. The red ones are easier to kill than the white ones. There are two kinds of red spider mites, the kind that are really red, and the white ones, when preparing to overwinter, turn red.

    If that doesn't work, remove all plants, edible products, your smoke, your pipe, anything that touches the mouth or is meant to be consumed, and release a fogger. Wait a day or however long the fogger tells you too, and ventilate. Spray your plants with soap in the alternate location and while still wet bring them back into the room. Try again. Plan to spray no matter what. I do it even if I don't see any bugs. The plants like it. Put in a little bit of actinovate, the leaves love it.
    Last edited by GSC; 12-05-2017 at 04:56 AM.

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Back to Top