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    *** please note that everything i'm posting is purely my opinion and just giving another option... other growers may not agree with what i say but just giving you another option to think about and of coarse whatever i say is always up for discussion, tend to believe that i am a very open minded grower and will always listen to reason......

    Quote Originally Posted by AngloSaxon View Post
    Hey, thanks man. They’re all from some Jack Herer seeds that I got from SOS (there is a supposed Blue Dream mixed in there somewhere, but I don’t think I got any pics of her yet). The plants have actually been through just about every bad growing practice and have never been under a quality bloom light (HPS, LEC, high-end LEDs, etc). Won’t be a big harvest either, as only the very top of the canopy on these 4’ plants gets any appreciable amount of light. Basically, I totally f’d this grow, but the girls are trying to show off for me anyway. lol I’m kinda thrilled to get such nice input on my buds, given how down I’ve been about messing up the grow so badly (though I learned a lot about what not to do next time). I see a lot of potential in several of the plants, given the circumstances, so I really hope that my idea of transplanting them outside for the summer and/or taking clones from them works out. Wish me luck! I did have a few other questions, if anyone is so inclined:

    1. I’ve just recently starting hearing about leaving plants in total darkness for several days before harvesting, and now thanks to @stoney, I know that it’s supposed to promote oil production. Are there any downsides? I would think that the lack of light would stress the plants terribly (maybe that’s why they produce the oil?), possibly lead to hermies, and at the very least, leave them too weakened to be transplanted outside in the spring. Thoughts?
    no down sides that i've ever heard of or experienced... i've personally gone up to three weeks of post flower darkness without ill affects,,, ganja plants produce trics during dark times and the lights degrade it, then the plants builds it up again. fortunately for us it builds way more trics than the sun can degrade. as far as hermies go, i feel it is a very overrated word that terrifies some growers to point where they even throw away their plants... please don't be one of those... hermies are not always a bad thing, if there were no herms than there would be no feminised seeds... a hermi trait is either in the genetics or its not, great genetics are next to impossible to hermi through stress. plants that came from feminised seeds can be slightly more susceptible to passing the hermie trait on. but trust me when i say most hermis are not bad. most of them shoot blanks and pollen is bunk. some nanners never even open and maybe two out of ten hermies will actually pollinate itself or other plants... now seriously i have no "proof" or science to any of my figures i'm just going by experience. i often collect any pollen i can if a plant spits one out and pollinate other plants with it to make some fem seeds. of coarse the hermi trait is now passed on in those seeds and may be stronger or weaker depending... you just never know till ya try... i hope all that babbling made sense in some way.....

    Quote Originally Posted by AngloSaxon View Post
    2. Now that I know that it’s the trichs that produce the CBD/THC, it seems like a total shame to remove so much of the leaf while trimming (my bud leaves are awash in crystals). I’ll save the trimmings of course, and try to make some keef or hash from it. I assume that the desire to limit harshness is the only reason we all trim them basically right down to the hairs?
    trimming is a personal preference, and yes the leaves often have an off flavor that is less desirable by most.

    Quote Originally Posted by AngloSaxon View Post
    3. A few of my buds are just starting to develop what I refer to as false seed pods, as the pistils begin to shrivel and recede. Would the appearance of more of them be another reliable indicator of ripeness?

    4. If anyone happens to have any pics of buds that they’ve had that were at the peak of ripeness, it would be super-helpful to me. After comparing my pics above to a few that I found online, I really thought that I was at the point where they had to be picked, but obviously I was wrong (thanks for setting me straight, guys!).

    Best wishes to all,

    AS
    yes, seed pods fake or real are one indication of ripeness... i wouldn't call it a reliable one and only tell tale but yes, to an extent it is a sign of the plant fully maturing.

    your fourth question kind of confuses me a little in the fact that i thought you were asking if it would be okay to let them continue flowering a few days till your landlord left town and that answer is definitely yes. now your fourth question sounds like you're asking if they are ready for harvest yet... that answer in my opinion is yeah, they look about ready.

    me personally i tend to let a plant flower a little longer than most people seem to in forums so i fent your thread was a good one for me to provide some info on.... i just harvested a plant tonight and i took some photos for you to see how i like to wait... i don't scope my trics and haven't used a scope in many years now, maybe they are better quality now but my history with them has been so inconsistent it wasn;t a reliable option for me, the tric colors seem to vary depending on what angle or spectrum of light on the scope had.... so i go by the hairs receding. i'm also not a believer in cloudy being a head high and couchlock for aged amber trics... i think that is all 100% nonsense. the kind of high is in the genetics and you can't change it by when you harvest i know a lot of people will call me a ass for saying all this but i don't care i say if i'm wrong than prove it to me... i've taken sample buds all the time early on plants and never got a head high from early sample and wheelchair weed on the later harvests..... all in the genetics man!!!!!! clear, cloudy, amber is just a maturing oil and terpins changing... all the type of high comes from the different combinations of cannabinoids in the plant.

    so with all that said here are a few photos of my plant... she was flowering for twelve weeks and three days in these pics.... she went into what they call foxtailling with that extra growth... it take a while for full hair receding on foxtails so i gave her the chop like this... you can see a lower bud that didn't foxtail..... and as you can see they don't look all that much different from your pics so they're ready when you are......








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    Quote Originally Posted by stoney View Post
    *** please note that everything i'm posting is purely my opinion and just giving another option... other growers may not agree with what i say but just giving you another option to think about and of coarse whatever i say is always up for discussion, tend to believe that i am a very open minded grower and will always listen to reason......



    no down sides that i've ever heard of or experienced... i've personally gone up to three weeks of post flower darkness without ill affects,,, ganja plants produce trics during dark times and the lights degrade it, then the plants builds it up again. fortunately for us it builds way more trics than the sun can degrade. as far as hermies go, i feel it is a very overrated word that terrifies some growers to point where they even throw away their plants... please don't be one of those... hermies are not always a bad thing, if there were no herms than there would be no feminised seeds... a hermi trait is either in the genetics or its not, great genetics are next to impossible to hermi through stress. plants that came from feminised seeds can be slightly more susceptible to passing the hermie trait on. but trust me when i say most hermis are not bad. most of them shoot blanks and pollen is bunk. some nanners never even open and maybe two out of ten hermies will actually pollinate itself or other plants... now seriously i have no "proof" or science to any of my figures i'm just going by experience. i often collect any pollen i can if a plant spits one out and pollinate other plants with it to make some fem seeds. of coarse the hermi trait is now passed on in those seeds and may be stronger or weaker depending... you just never know till ya try... i hope all that babbling made sense in some way.....



    trimming is a personal preference, and yes the leaves often have an off flavor that is less desirable by most.



    yes, seed pods fake or real are one indication of ripeness... i wouldn't call it a reliable one and only tell tale but yes, to an extent it is a sign of the plant fully maturing.

    your fourth question kind of confuses me a little in the fact that i thought you were asking if it would be okay to let them continue flowering a few days till your landlord left town and that answer is definitely yes. now your fourth question sounds like you're asking if they are ready for harvest yet... that answer in my opinion is yeah, they look about ready.

    me personally i tend to let a plant flower a little longer than most people seem to in forums so i fent your thread was a good one for me to provide some info on.... i just harvested a plant tonight and i took some photos for you to see how i like to wait... i don't scope my trics and haven't used a scope in many years now, maybe they are better quality now but my history with them has been so inconsistent it wasn;t a reliable option for me, the tric colors seem to vary depending on what angle or spectrum of light on the scope had.... so i go by the hairs receding. i'm also not a believer in cloudy being a head high and couchlock for aged amber trics... i think that is all 100% nonsense. the kind of high is in the genetics and you can't change it by when you harvest i know a lot of people will call me a ass for saying all this but i don't care i say if i'm wrong than prove it to me... i've taken sample buds all the time early on plants and never got a head high from early sample and wheelchair weed on the later harvests..... all in the genetics man!!!!!! clear, cloudy, amber is just a maturing oil and terpins changing... all the type of high comes from the different combinations of cannabinoids in the plant.

    so with all that said here are a few photos of my plant... she was flowering for twelve weeks and three days in these pics.... she went into what they call foxtailling with that extra growth... it take a while for full hair receding on foxtails so i gave her the chop like this... you can see a lower bud that didn't foxtail..... and as you can see they don't look all that much different from your pics so they're ready when you are......







    Preach the word Brother Luv!!!!
    And can I get an Amen from the congregation!!!

    Here I thought I was the only that never...Never ever???? Yes never ever "scopes" trichs.
    I look for plants to *fall off the table*. It's kinda like a drunk at the bar...when he falls off his stool you know he's done for the night. Same thing for ganja.
    Couchlock IMO is a myth. That has more to do with the smoker and where they're at more than anything.
    Case in point look at Alaskan Thunderfuck. A fave among hikers, hunters, fisherman, and guides in Alaska. You think they smoke it and take a nap on the Alaskan Tundra? No. They get after it when they smoke that cut.
    Take the same strain and give it to somebody sitting in an apartment not doing shit all day but watching tv and playing video games and they'll blame the weed for making them sit around all day doing nothing.
    Get up, get out, and move around and you'll find not many if any strains are "couchlock" even if they're an indica harvested late. Smoking that shit while being active just makes livin' all the more trippy

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    Hey, @stoney. Thanks, brotha! It’s always good to hear different opinions. Being new to this, I’m always wanting a concrete answer on things. But the truth is that lots of people who claim to be sure about something really aren’t. I find myself believing something to be true because I’ve read it over and over, only to have others say, “No way, man.” I like that you’ve tried different ways of doing things and drawn your own conclusions based on your findings.

    Now about your pics. Thanks so much for taking the time to post them before harvesting - much appreciated!!! The first one made me drooooool. The third one looks like maybe it has a couple of nanners on it. Did you notice any? You’re a bit braver about those things than I am, but you make a good point about hermies being the source of fem plants. I totally don’t want it to happen, but I wonder what I’d call it if one of my Blue Dreams fertilized one of the Jack Herers, or vice-versa. Blue Jack? Jack’s Dream? lol

    Interestingly, two days ago, most of my buds looked like your last pic. The smell of the plants had been unbelievably strong for several weeks and I couldn’t even control it with the exhaust fan. Now the smell seems a lot less, there seem to be fewer crystals, and some of them are doing this:

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    Are all those new white hairs similar to fox tailing? I’m probably imagining the whole smell and crystal thing, but the hairs are definitely new (two days ago, almost every hair on this bud was red and shriveled up - no joke). The only thing I can think of is the fact that the last couple of times I watered, I added a little molasses to the water, as I recently read that flowering plants like the sugar boost. So I’m a little curious if it’s more likely that the new hair growth is from the sugar water or that the plants are trying to make one last desperate attempt to find pollen. Not anything I’m terribly worried about, just curious.

    Oh, and in regard to your question about what I meant by question number 4 above, I’m definitely trying to wait a few more days until the landlord goes bye-bye. I was just saying that I was worried about ruining my buds by waiting too long, since I’d found pics of ripe buds online that looked just like mine. Enough people here have told me that I’m not going to ruin anything by waiting, that I’m feeling a lot more confident about it. At the moment, I’m waiting patiently for at least 3 more days and considering maybe leaving them in the dark for a day before harvesting to see if it makes a difference in oil production.

    As I’m thinking about it, I did have some questions about final watering for anyone who wants to chime in (sorry to ask so many!). I’ve read that a lot of people like to flush their plants a week before harvesting to get out the chemical ferts. I’ve grown in all soil from the start (a mix of Foxfarm, Roots Organics, and one of the other big names, though I can’t remember which one at the moment). During flower, I also added about a tablespoonful of Roots Bloom powder (from some free sample packs) to each plant once a week as a top dressing before watering, though I stopped that about two weeks back. Since none of these contain chemical ferts (as far as I know), can I just skip the flushing? Also, is it beneficial to let the soil go a bit on the dry side during the last week before harvest? Also, I haven’t seen any of my fan leaves start to turn and die off like most people do when their buds are getting ripe. Maybe some strains just don’t go through this?

    Thanks so much to stoney and everyone else who’s helped me along my journey so far. It’s been a bumpy start, but hopefully, I’ll just get better at it from here on out.
    Last edited by AngloSaxon; 04-06-2017 at 11:30 PM.

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    HI, haven't read all the posts, but I I'd pick a pod and take it, or snip a big on in half and candle wax the stem to seal and let the rest of the head finish. I would, I have, some people are more patient.

    best of luck~

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    Yes you flush the plants in soil too.
    You stick a bunch of females together and don't want any problems? Good luck. They are going to mess you up.

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    5% of Green Hairs is okay. Itīs very ready also other people told you this
    Here and there you can develop your own taste on when to Harvest. But thats it.

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    Pretty much a judgement call at this point.

    I don't wait for amber I like cloudy because I don't like couch lock. I prefer to have get up and go.

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    For eons the world has run on the full span of stages to smoke. Some say the clear and whitish have a headier high and amber goes to being a couch lock thing. Might even be different with variety types. So it's your duty to dry and cure all the different stages and report back your findings
    You stick a bunch of females together and don't want any problems? Good luck. They are going to mess you up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tropical View Post
    For eons the world has run on the full span of stages to smoke. Some say the clear and whitish have a headier high and amber goes to being a couch lock thing. Might even be different with variety types. So it's your duty to dry and cure all the different stages and report back your findings
    It's all in the name of science...

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    When to harvest your trichomes.

    There are several schools of thought as to when it is the time to harvest. I shall attempt to explain how you can determine the harvesting time that will produce the most favorable psychoactive effect for your individual preferences.

    We are most concerned with the capitate-stalked trichomes, as these contain the overwhelming majority of the psychoactive cannabinoids (THC, THCV, CBN). Different cannabinoids affect the high in a multifaceted manner.

    THC.

    delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol & delta-8-tetrahydrocannabinol - THC mimics the action of anandamide, a neurotransmitter produced naturally in the body, which binds with the cannabinoid receptors in the brain to produce the ?high? associated with marijuana. THC possesses high UV-B (280-315 nm) absorption properties.

    THCV.

    tetrahydrocannabivarin - prevalent in certain South African and Southeast Asian strains of cannabis. It is said to produce a ?clearer high? & seems to possess many of the therapeutic properties of THC.

    CBD.

    cannabidiol - previously believed to be psychoactive, or to contribute to the high by interacting with other cannabinoids, conversely the most recent research indicates that CBD has negligible effect on the high, it is however a strong anti-inflammatory, and may take the edge off some THC effects, such as anxiety. CBD as a non-psychoactive cannabinoid appears to be helpful for many medical conditions. CBD biosynthesizes into cannabinol (CBN) & tetrahydrocannabinol (THC).

    CBN.

    cannabinol - a degradation product of THC, produces a depressant effect, ?fuzzy? forehead.

    CBC.

    cannabichromene - non-psychoactive , a precursor to THC.

    CBG.

    cannabigerol - non-psychoactive, hemp strains often posses elevated levels of CBG while possessing only trace amounts of THC.

    Heavy trichome production is not necessarily an indication of a potent plant. Some hemp strains have moderate layers of trichomes yet pack only a strong headache. In a drug strain, a thick layer of trichomes is a symbol that it may well posses an elevated potency level, but it is certainly not a guarantee.

    What defines a cannabis drug strain is the plant's ability to produce THC & THCV.

    A small 25x or stronger pocket microscope, which can be picked up inexpensively at an electronics store like Radio Shack, works well for getting a closer peek at your trichome development. We are examining are the capitate stalked glandular trichomes, the coloration of these gland heads can vary between strains and maturity. Most strains start with clear or slightly amber heads which gradually become cloudy or opaque when THC levels have peaked and are beginning to degrade. Regardless of the initial color of the secretory cavity, with careful observation you should be able to see a change in coloration as maturity levels off.

    Some cultivators wait for about half of the secretory cavities to go opaque before harvesting, to ensure maximum THC levels in the finished product. Of course nothing tells the truth more than your own perception, so try samples at various stages to see what is best for you & the phenotype your are growing. While you may be increasing the total THC level in the bud by allowing half of the glands to go opaque, the bud will also have a larger percentage of THC breakdown products such as CBN, which is why some people choose to harvest earlier while most of the secretory cavities are still clear.
    (End quote...and I think Radio Shack went of business)

    This is what I found stated much more eloquently than I ever could. I believe there is a synergy that happens between the cannabinoids and the person. THC does start to degrade and chemically convert in to something else giving us a different effect. But its personal preference. And if the person is lazy, it would take a ripping pure sativa to make them feel compelled to do the dishes while high...and probably would only think about it a lot.

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